M E E T I N G Tuesday September 20, 1988 7:30 P.M. Northland Public Library S P E A K E R

                          M E E T I N G

                             Tuesday
                       September 20, 1988
                            7:30 P.M.
                    Northland Public Library
                          S P E A K E R
                         Dr. Duane Gish
                           Dr. Awbrey
                             (Video)

                             F R O M
                       Christian Heritage
                             College

                            T O P I C
                           Gish/Awbrey
                             Debate

	Last month you saw Dr. Gish and Dr. Doolittle debate at
Liberty University.  Now that you have seen the worst the
evolutionist camp can provide, come to see the best that they can
do.  This month will prove be the much better.  Dr. Gish and Dr.
Awbrey debated recently at Christian Heritage College in San Diego,
California, the home of the Institute for Creation Research.

	Dr. Awbrey is a strong opponent of the creation model of
origins.  He teaches a university course which compares the
evolution model with the creation model.

	Dr. Duane Gish is from the Institution for Creation Research
in San Diego.  ICR is the foremost national organization concern-
ing itself with the creation/evolution controversy.  I encourage
everyone to get on the mailing list for Acts & Facts, their FREE
monthly newsletter.

	Thirty-five attended our meeting in August to see the debate. 
Everyone appreciated the discussion.  The reason this particular
debate was so controversial was Dr. Doolittle's poor showing.  He
mismanaged his time.  Due to the one-hour television show format,
he had only eighteen minutes for his primary presentation.  He used
most of that time for an introduction that can only be described
as a diatribe against "The Religion" of creation.  He did not
mention of any scientific data to support evolution.  

	Dr. Duane Gish then presented the whole scientific litany of
creation research and data.  Creation -- not evolution -- better
describes the results of that data.  Dr. Gish showed that data from
the most fundamental laws of science, from thermodynamics, from the
fossil record, and from studies in mathematical probabilities, etc. 

	In his time to reply Dr. Doolittle was better, but by then he
kept saying how he lost his chance to put forward the best
arguments.  He was trying to get out his original material, and was
not truly able to respond to Gish's points.

	This month, we will continue with a famous debate between Gish
and Dr. Awbrey, a professor in the San Diego area. 

	This month's debate is more recent, and there is a more
thorough presentation of the scientific data on both sides because
of a two hour format.  So, though the outside temperatures are
lower, you will find that the debate temperature will be much
higher.  
	These two men attack the problem with skill and enthusiasm. 
They approach the issue of creation/evolution from opposite
convictions, but provide the audience with the information needed
to evaluate the clarity of each of their visions on the origin's
question.
	This debate is especially challenging because it illuminates
the two aspects of origins.  One perspective argues that we got
here because of planning and the other that we are here due to a
cosmic accident or random happenstance.  You can judge and evaluate
the data and draw your own conclusions.  This is an excellent
debate with a sound rebuttal to the other's position points.

                     NEWS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS

1.	We have slightly changed our focus to the fall dinner.  We
want a fellowship dinner that will expand the number of people who
are aware of the CSF.  The dinner's objective will be to directly
enlarge the active membership.  In addition to our current CSF
members, we will energetically seek out new ones.  Advertising
through the ORIGINS Program on Channel 40, WPCB-TV, we hope to
reach others who might not know of our tri-state CSF.  We want to
reach concerned people in the area.

	We are finalizing plans for the dinner: -- program, location,
cost, etc.  Next month's letter should have all the details for
you.  I anticipate the program for this special evening will be
excellent.  We are looking at dates toward the end of October or
early November, on a Friday or Saturday evening.

2.	Remember to look at the date on your mailing label.  This date
shows your CSF status.  Please examine this.  If your membership
has expired send the yearly renewal of only $12, our cost of
mailing to you.

3.	Creationists from around the country have been calling the CSF
computer.  The CSF/ICC computer is working and operational.  Just
use your computer modem communications program to connect.  The
phone number is 243-0675, with 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit. That
describes the electronic communications protocol the two computers
need to know to talk to each other.  These numbers and concepts
often only make sense when you get a computer and begin to use the
communications features.  We will be including articles and other
items of interest about creation/evolution on this computer.
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                      & Open to the Public
                                             Henry A. Jackson III
                                                    Secretary/CSF

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